An Evening with John Jude Palencar-YouTube:
-“As I mentioned I don’t know where the treasures are or where they’re buried…”- 3:30
-“When Jason was going over some of the clues, it ignited some of my memories of the uh, of these packets of info that that Byron would send to me.”- 3:40
-“…the panels of fabric that were hanging off her sleeves, the shapes in there are the shapes of the uh flags on the iron side that’s across the bay from the uh, you know, that ball field…” 3:56
-“The arc of the hair did mimic the um the uh what do you call it…yeah the baseball diamond”-4:46
-George Ward: “Can you see everything in the images you need to see to solve the puzzle?”, referring to image quality in the modern reprint of The Secret. JJP: “I would always say hi-res is better, uh, higher resolution is better. If the printing is up, not up to snuff or if they’re printed on an inferior stock, it it may impinge on some of the uh, some of the visual, maybe some of the tinier ones.”-9:56
-“So yeah, some of them have more detail than even we were able to capture in them, but the crucial things were there.”-12:37
-In response to alternative city assignments”…The common knowledge of what city may be, sometimes its a different city…and they’re entitled to that, that’s the whole, the whole thing here of activating people’s brains and researching you know history and whatever it takes to get there.”-14:35
-When asked if Roanoke, Charleston, St. Augustine, and and New Orleans are casque cities “I don’t know, I…(laughter)…uh, I think uh, I think they are, I think they are, I mean I’m trying to remember…a couple of the things I see I have seen people um post online, they seem to be going in the right direction for the right cities for the right image, some of them are very um obvious, there’s others aren’t…”-14:55
-“I think they’ve discerned the uh, the general geographical location.”-16:05
-“…and I’d try a few things to disguise things…”-19:56
-“They were working on their part of the book, so Byron would work with them and then he would come to me and then we would work together privately”-20:55
-When GW compared creator group dynamics and the secrecy surrounding project details to covert government construction projects, JJP responded: “Well they didn’t know what their part was, they knew they were building a part they didn’t know what it was for.”-21:09
-“I always have this feeling, and this is just my own uh, my own uh curiosity that somehow the front part of the book is tied in with the treasure part.” 21:26
-“He (Byron) would only give me certain parts, he knew the whole thing.”-23:10
-“Like I tell people I don’t know where they are…”-23:33
-“…I just don’t know where the treasures are…”-33:03
“…I can go back to a few fragments of conversations I had with Byron for a packet that he sent me or remember now the photo of like Old Ironsides…”-33:18
“…there’s a number of things where clues and things that are blended that I had completely forgotten about…”-33:54
“And on top of that it, it was you know 40 plus years ago you know, I challenge anybody to remember these little kind of…um…intimate details of how you’ve done something from 40 years ago. I can remember big things about certain things…”-34:10
-In regard to burning Secret treasure hunt reference information sent by Byron”…and with those clues being burned my memories went out with a lot of those too.”-35:05
-“…how we could change it up so one solve would not clue a treasure would be solved in exactly the same way as another, even though there was a framework there maybe.”-46:06
The St. Augustine One – Inside the Studio: George Meets John Palencar | The Secret Podcast-YouTube
-“And like I said I still don’t know where they are.”-7:26
-“And the rest of them…uh, like I said I don’t know where they are, I knew general locations, but not exactly.” -8:26
-Referring to Jason Krupat and image 11: “And he neglected to see that actually spelt Boston.”-8:47
-“And like we said the “s” standed…stood also for Salem, uh she’s a witch, as far as looking like uh…uh, Christopher Columbus, uh…they always were perplexed by um, without giving too much detail about this round circle and some of the other things hidden in there, the circle is actually supposed to represent like a portal from the uh USS Constitution…it was kind of meant to represent that as far as the north star and things…these are some of the uh the flags that were hanging from uh, from uh the USS Constitution. At the time too there was a band or an orchestra called the Boston Pops, so I have it spelling Boston, then I have this uh…the little bubble ready to be popped by the uh, by the falcon there…And it it was nice how they they did pick up on the uh, um the piers here that were on the uh um… the hair here…Byron never told me why he wanted me to make this in the shape of home plate but I thought it might have been the green monster…and not realizing it was in this park…there are other things hidden in here I won’t go too much into…you could say there was a general template but there wasn’t anything that was, um, meant to be…only certain things were done within that template and other things sprouted out went out from there.”-8:53
-“I talk about certain paintings being, um…you know…certain clues being more um image heavy and other other paintings being more verse heavy.”-11:29
-“And like I said I don’t know where they are…”-12:07
-“He would ask me to do things without telling me where the, where the treasures were.”-14:43
-Referring to image 4-“The L for the bell here’s for liberty.”-15:59
-“The helmet here’s actually off Soldiers and Sailor’s monument that’s on Public Square in Cleveland…the uh fountain that’s by the uh um Cleveland Museum of Art”-16:45
George says we have always assumed the cup represented a fountain at the Italian Gardens, JJP responds “…well they might be, see now that’s my memory, you know its been 40 plus years…its hard to remember some of this stuff.”-17:01
When discussing image 4 Italian Garden visual connections-“There’s a lot of maybe misdirection here a little bit.”-17:43
“…I know that some of them got harder because of just they became more verse heavy and they became lighter in in the visuals.”-20:28
“Like I said I don’t know where they are, but when Jason started talking about the Boston painting…uh…it triggered some memories of some of the photos that Byron sent me…I only own part of it…I’ve always talked about I talk about the SR71 you know the super supply plane when they built that you know how everybody only knew a part of what they were building until it all came together…”-20:56
Referring to the people in the images-“I had some models and uh uh you know could tweak them a little bit, its like where Josh talked about the lion in the girl’s face there’s there’s a little bit of tweaking and stuff…things are changed a little bit, I didn’t go for likeness I guess you could say.”-21:46
When asked if there are any tricks to uncover visual elements such as folding, mirrors, 3-D glasses etc.: “Yes, yes, but I can’t, that’s all I’m going to say, and I can’t say which one’s…I can’t tell you if it’s anthropomorphic distortion or if its color field shifting…”-22:28
The Secret – Q&A with John Jude Palencar + A Surprise Wedding?!
“The sphere with the triangle I was, can’t remember but, actually George mentioned it might have been for Euclid cause Euclid Ave and the um geometry and and things like that so, that’s a little foggy to me.”-9:20
“Of course Liberty Blvd with Liberty Bell and that’s kind of a misdirection thing.” -10:17
“I felt bad for Josh Gates when…(unintelligible)…out there in that thunderstorm came in, they’re freezing their ***** off…he did have a good uh beat on the uh lion as the lady cuz that was something I remember…Byron and I were talking about that one.”-14:54
“I think I remember when the book came out I said Byron I don’t know what the **** which verse goes with which painting…I only knew so much, he knew the whole game.”-22:13
When asked if any one painting holds clues to an alternative case “No but some are linked, I don’t know how to describe that…I can say they’re linked in a way but they’re not directly linked.”-32:17
“We tried not to use color, we did but we didn’t uh do it to the extent that if there was a color shift that it would uh destroy any clue…”-44:00
Washington Post, June 13th 1982-He’s got a Secret
“He went on to say, tantalizingly; that the dozen locations where he’s left “secrets” behind offer “varying degrees of difficulty”.”-referring to statements made by Byron.
LA Daily News, October 22nd, 1982- This touring troll has a gem of a “Secret”.
“The treasures are actually stashed within driving distance of most people.”-Byron
“They can be found with patience and wit and being good. By that we mean only doing it the way its supposed to be done, not how you think it should be.”-Byron
St. Louis Post Dispatch, October 25th 1982, Elves and Trolls Bury Treasures, Get in Some Digs
“Off and on for nine months this year, I traveled this country and Canada, hiding the stuff.”-Byron
“At least one gem is situated “within reasonable driving distance” of all residents of the United States and Canada, according to Preiss.”
Arizona Republic, November 1982, Book points winding way to buried treasure
“If I should die-get hit by a truck or something-one person has been instructed to open the directions to the remaining treasures. They are locked away in a bank vault.”-Byron
Expedition: Unknown, Season 5, Episode 4: The Secret
Interview between Josh Gate and John Jude Palencar:
“I’ve tried to figure some of them out and I can’t figure them out you know I’ve read through the verses.”-JJP
“I do not know where these treasures are buried.”
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